The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick): Good morning. The first
item of business is a debate on motion S4M-02156, in the name of Stewart
Stevenson, on climate justice.
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Stewart Stevenson:
Thank you, Presiding Officer.
Scotland’s international climate change agenda has always been to act as
a model of international best practice. We are an industrialised nation
and have a moral duty to play our part in tackling climate change and
helping those who have contributed least to the problem to mitigate and
adapt to our changing global climate.
We must not forget that it
was our process of rapid development and industrialisation—which Marco
Biagi and other members have referred to and from which we benefit
today—that caused the carbon emissions that have ultimately resulted in
the changing global climate. There can, therefore, be no doubt that we
in the industrialised world are best placed to mitigate the effects of
climate, and we have a moral duty to do so.
The climate justice
approach must focus on what we can do to help those in the developing
world, who have done the least to cause the problem but who are now the
hardest hit by its effect. Given Scotland’s ambitious, world-leading
legislation, which we all supported in the chamber, it is fitting that
we are also leading the way in putting climate justice at the heart of
our policy making in this area. I congratulate every member who has
participated in the debate on their distinctive and interesting
contributions. A number of issues have been raised that had not been
part of my thinking before. I will take them away and think about them,
even though, in the limited time that is available to me, I will not be
able to deal with everything that has been said.
We will continue
to seek to influence the EU and the wider international community to
increase their ambition on climate change. However, even if global
emissions of greenhouse gases stopped right now, climate change would
continue for the next 30 or 40 years—past and present emissions
determine that that is the case. That is why we must not forget the
importance of adaptation and climate justice in the future.
Claire
Baker asked about Rio+20. We have asked the UK Government for a place
on the UK delegation. Places will be limited, so I do not know what the
answer will be. I believe that the Welsh Government also seeks to be at
Rio.
I congratulate SCIAF on having already commented on today’s debate. Its press release says:
“Today’s
debate in the Scottish Parliament demonstrated cross-party support for
the concept of climate justice, and a clear recognition of widespread
public concern about the impact of climate change around the world.”
We
can all share, momentarily, in the lustre of at least being part of a
debate. We have to move to the point where we can share in dealing with
the problem.
Part of Patrick Harvie’s amendment relates to
consumption. Officials have been exploring how best to meet the section
37 reporting duty. Work on estimating Scottish consumption-based
emissions has now been contracted out, and we plan to publish the
results in respect of data up to 2009 before the summer recess. We are
the first country in the world to do anything of this kind, so it is
quite a formidable challenge. I will not overclaim with regard to the
perfection of the analyses, but I think that we have made a very good
start.
Patrick Harvie: I acknowledge that the
collection of that data is a work in progress. Can the minister confirm
that, following the publishing of the 2009 figures, such reporting to
Parliament will become part of the normal reporting cycle of climate
change targets?
Stewart Stevenson: I prefer at this
stage to say that we will report on each year’s progress. The timetable
for doing so is something that I will return to later.
Claudia
Beamish opened her speech by saying, rightly, that there is a need to
change behaviour and that we are talking about what is essentially a
silent crisis. I found myself absolutely in agreement with that. She
said that the effects are skewed and indiscriminate; others pointed that
out, too. She also referred to the First Minister’s speech in Beijing
in December. We have to set our own house in order and we have to set an
example.
I was not aware of the example of 25 cities in China
going for new eco-vehicles. I will look into that. When I was in China a
couple of years ago, I visited an electric vehicle factory and found
that the US Government had an order of 400 electric vans, which were
just waiting to be shipped. China is doing much more than we sometimes
imagine. If we are not careful, it might end up taking up many of the
economic opportunities that exist.
Patrick Harvie rightly pointed
to the great enlightenment figures who have contributed to modern
thinking and whose statues and memorials we can see around us,
particularly as we go along George Street and Princes Street. We should
perhaps also remind ourselves that Adam Smith’s grave lies a few hundred
metres from the door of the Parliament.
In response to one point
that was made, I say that the Scottish climate justice fund will be in
addition to any funds that are already allocated. We will hear more
about that later.
I am glad that the Conservatives have
participated in the debate in such a positive spirit. Jamie McGrigor
said that climate change is one of the greatest challenges, and we
absolutely agree with that. He personalised the issue by talking about
the rainfall on Loch Awe: 140in is a formidable amount of rain. It is
okay, Jamie—the rain was falling only on you; the rest of us were being
treated quite differently.
Rob Gibson pointed out that we are
expecting food prices to soar because of drought in south-east
England—in Lincolnshire in particular—where there are areas of highly
productive arable land. That situation will be repeated throughout
Europe. As I said in my opening speech, climate change is not simply an
issue for the third world: it will affect us directly, too.
Neil Findlay: The
minister is going through the members who contributed to the debate.
Jamie Hepburn described how the financial transactions tax could help on
the issue of climate change. Can the minister explain why the two SNP
MEPs did not support the tax in Europe?
Stewart Stevenson: I
hope that Neil Findlay will support this Parliament having the full
powers of a normal independent country so that we can participate in
that sort of thing, but I do not want to be particularly political
today.
Elaine Murray correctly highlighted the problems of
drought, famine and starvation. Annabelle Ewing, among others,
highlighted the importance of climate change for women and the effect
that it has on them.
Paul Wheelhouse mentioned that even the UK’s
strategic defence review identified climate change as a threat to
military stability. I had not been aware of that, but it is another
interesting take on the issue.
Mary Fee spoke about Jack
McConnell’s work in setting renewables targets. I respect and recognise
the continuity in our activity on climate change, although I personally
admire Jack McConnell most for his anti-smoking efforts.
We
talked about 0.3 per cent as the target for the current year; the target
for the following year is of course 9.86 per cent. Jamie Hepburn
mentioned that Alan Miller is watching us, and I am delighted that he is
here to see the first debate in a Parliament anywhere in the world on
the subject of climate justice.
Jim Hume said that, as a member
of the United Kingdom, we can engage internationally. That is correct,
although we could do much more in a different environment—but we should
not spend too much time on that today.
Dennis Robertson referred
to curriculum for excellence, and mentioned the achievement of Old Rayne
primary school in his constituency. That is typical of what is
happening in schools throughout Scotland. The idea that children are now
sending their parents to bed early so that the lights go out to make a
positive impact on climate change is a new one, but not necessarily a
bad one.
In response to Margaret McDougall’s point, we have been
supporting allotments through the climate challenge fund, so we are
doing quite a lot in that regard. We are supporting 8,100 hectares of
forestry this year, and moving towards our target of 10,000 hectares per
year. Last year we supported just over 5,000 hectares. In response to
Aileen McLeod’s point, I shall be lugging a mug as people in Dumfries
have been doing.
We have heard excellent contributions from
members on all sides of the Parliament. Members have raised a huge range
of issues, from the Crown estate to national defence, so the debate has
been wide ranging. The debate is but a start: inevitably, in the first
ever debate on climate justice in a Parliament, we cannot cover the
subject in its entirety. However, we will certainly ensure that others
see all the contributions that have been made today.
Throughout
history, we have as a nation been at the forefront of innovation. Our
strong engineering background has put us in the vanguard of past
industrial revolutions, and we have reaped the rewards as a high-carbon
country. We are now at the forefront of a green industrial revolution,
and we must ensure that in reaping the rewards of that low-carbon
revolution at home, we take with us those who are less fortunate than
ourselves and let them benefit from our innovation, knowledge and
expertise in those emerging economies.
In making 2012 the year of climate justice, we must influence others to do the same. Again I quote Mary Robinson, who said:
“Climate
change is a matter of justice. The richest countries caused the
problem, but it is the world’s poorest who are already suffering from
its effects.”
She went on to say that
”the international community must commit to righting that wrong.”